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New Board / People Who Have been Wrongly Instructed On Calvinism
« Last post by Iconoclast on December 14, 2024, 09:02:47 am »
If anyone has been misled by the many false teachers online, This is a place where you can get some help.

If you listen to the false teaching of any of these men, you do need help. ???  ::)

Leighton Flowers      ???  ::)
Kevin Thompson :-\
Enyart Theology    >:(
Jesse Morrell  :o
Fannin
Steve Anderson
Braxton Hunter
Mike Winger
Dr. Thomas M. Cucuzza
Jesse Martinez

Great Light studios.....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7d1pk9Omfak&list=TLPQMTMxMjIwMjTNemim9rrQDA&index=4

Not one person has attempted to answer or interact to this at all!



I will add more false podcasts as we go, and if you have been infected by such false teachers and their teaching, we will help you


What is there about Calvinism that you have been told is unbiblical?

What verses do you want to address?

We will offer you help from scripture. We will show where these men have made a caricature of the teaching, and drifted from true theology!

Offer your best objections, and what you believe are your strongest verses that you believe teach something else.
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New Board / Re: Posts Against the Teaching of Election
« Last post by Iconoclast on November 20, 2024, 10:53:45 am »
Leighton Flowers/ aka, Skandelon denied this often on baptistboard and almost no one challenged him on it
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General Discussion / Re: Doug Wilson on X On X
« Last post by Iconoclast on November 04, 2024, 10:58:28 am »

Douglas Wilson
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Next NQN installment: "We are like a drunk with the staggers who thinks that another drink will  calm his nerves and steady his hand. We have abandoned God and so God  has abandoned us, and so we have decided to secularize even harder."
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General Discussion / Missing in Action by Larry Ball
« Last post by Iconoclast on October 28, 2024, 11:26:37 am »
Missing in Action

Presbyterians MIA (Missing in Actions)
Presbyterians leadership in positions in America is rich and ubiquitous; but sadly, it appears now that Presbyterians have left the public square and are missing in action.
Written by Larry Ball | Monday, October 21, 2024
We were told to pursue excellence in all things according to the gifts that we were given for the glory of God.  Leaders today in the church should be identifying such men with unique gifts and encourage them to become leaders not only in the church, but in the world in which we live. Our history is full of great leaders who helped create this blessed nation from which we have benefited so much.  I’m afraid, in a day when we need them most, such men, especially Presbyterians, are missing in action.

 

The history of Presbyterians who have served in leadership positions in America is rich and ubiquitous; but sadly, it appears now that Presbyterians have left the public square and are missing in action (MIA).

History is replete with examples of the importance of Presbyterians. Rev. John Witherspoon, President of the College of New Jersey (now Princeton University) was a signer of the Declaration of Independence. His influence over many of those at the Constitutional Convention cannot be underestimated. One of his students was James Madison. Horace Walpole, a member of the British Parliament, said of Witherspoon, that America “had run away with a Presbyterian parson.” It is claimed that King George III called the American Revolution “a Presbyterian rebellion.”

At the Battle of Yorktown where General George Washington defeated Cornwallis, it has been noted that all of Washington’s colonels but one were Presbyterian elders.

Whether all of this is true or not, I cannot be sure, but there is no doubt that Presbyterians had a major impact on the Revolutionary War.  Historian Paul R. Carson has estimated that when the number of soldiers in the Revolutionary War included not only Presbyterians, but Puritan English, Dutch and German Reformed, that “two-thirds of our Revolutionary forefathers were trained in the school of Calvin.”

J. Gresham Machen was respected so much as a leading clergyman in the United States that in the early 20th century he was asked to give testimony before a U.S, House and Senate Committee on a proposed Department of Education. John C. Breckinridge, a Presbyterian from Kentucky, who was the uncle of the Princeton scholar Benjamin Breckinridge Warfield, was also Vice-President of the United States under President James Buchanan.

Maybe, the most well-respected Presbyterian in American history was the great Confederate General Stonewall Jackson, who was born in the mountains of what is now West Virginia, my place of birth and childhood home.  His courage and piety in war are unparalleled.

I have not even taken time to speak of the Puritans who settled New England prior to the American Revolution.  Although they were mostly Congregationalists, their theology also reflected the Calvinistic heritage.

Indeed today, I am sure that there are many conservative Presbyterians in leadership positions in every sphere of life in America.  I have known a few of them myself including many in the military, in business, and in the civil government.

However, I am beginning to notice a trend. Presbyterians in such leadership positions are disappearing from public life.  They are becoming very rare.  For example, the United States Supreme Court contains no Presbyterians.  Only 24 members of the United States Congress are listed as Presbyterians, and I doubt that any of them are conservative. You have to go back to Ronald Reagan to find a President who identified as a Presbyterian, at least later in life.

Yes, the capture of the Presbyterian Church by liberalism is part of the problem. Conservative Presbyterians and others from Reformed backgrounds are a small percentage of the American religious scene.

However, we should ask ourselves what has happened in the conservative Reformed and Presbyterian world that changed the landscape of Presbyterians participating in leadership roles outside of the church?

We may not need look any further than our young men in the church. Many of them seem to be confused, aimless, and lacking direction in life.  I hear constant complaints about young Christian men in Presbyterian and Reformed churches who seem to have very little drive to excel. They seem unwilling to work hard.  They often take what I call the easy road to avoid the sweat and tears it takes to succeed and rise to high levels of responsibility in accordance with their abilities.  When they do choose a pathway or calling, they often do not persevere.

God gives different gifts to different men.  For a man in a lawncare business, that is an honorable calling.  For those who drive trucks, that also is an honorable calling.  But for those with skills and gifts which could put them in leadership positions in their communities and even at higher levels, many of our young men, especially Presbyterians, are absent.

What has then happened? Radical Two Kingdom (R2K) theology has fenced up our young men into monastic cells inside the church walls. Pietism has chased away our young men from interacting with the world. Amillennialism has no victorious view of the future here on earth before Christ returns. So, many of our young men think, “What’s the use of fighting?”  That’s what our theology is teaching our young men. In my own experience, I went through a period of despair, and came to believe that Amillennialism is incompatible with a robust Covenantalism which is future-oriented.

The framers of the U.S. Constitution acted to secure the blessings of liberty not only for themselves but for their posterity.  Posterity was an important covenantal word among our early forefathers.  They had a long-term view of their work, knowing they would have an impact on many generations not yet born.

The highest position for young men today seems to be reaching the office of an elder in the church, rather than a mayor in the town or even the Governor of a State.

We don’t look generations ahead and believe that we are responsible for the quality of life for those yet to be born. We have become less than conquers, and this attitude of ordained defeatism has been transmitted to our young men.  Our anticipation of heaven has nullified our responsibility to future generations here on earth.

So, a listless floating and a dreamy drifting attitude without purpose has captured many of our young men. I’m glad I was raised in the previous generation where we knew what real manhood was in that we were expected to use our talents and gifts to the upmost. To fail to do this was shameful and dishonorable.

We were told to pursue excellence in all things according to the gifts that we were given for the glory of God.  Leaders today in the church should be identifying such men with unique gifts and encourage them to become leaders not only in the church, but in the world in which we live. Our history is full of great leaders who helped create this blessed nation from which we have benefited so much.  I’m afraid, in a day when we need them most, such men, especially Presbyterians, are missing in action.

Larry E. Ball is a retired minister in the Presbyterian Church in America and is now a CPA. He lives in Kingsport, Tenn.
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General Discussion / Re: Joe Boot on x
« Last post by Iconoclast on October 23, 2024, 10:00:29 am »
It has become popular on both Left and Right to blame everything on previous generations - the Left lays guilt on our colonial fathers, the Right on “boomers” for the ills of our culture. Both obfuscate the real issue of personal responsibility & dealing with our own sin.  God makes clear the blame game is evil:

What do you people mean by using this proverb about the land of Israel, saying,
‘The fathers eat sour grapes,
But it is the children’s teeth thathave become blunt’?
3 As I live,” declares the Lord God, “you certainly are not going to use this proverb in Israel anymore. 4 Behold, all souls are Mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is Mine. The soul who sins will die…
20 The person who sins will die. A son will not suffer the punishment for the father’s guilt, nor will a father suffer the punishment for the son’s guilt; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself…
30 “Therefore I will judge you, house of Israel, each according to his conduct,” declares the Lord God. “Repent and turn away from all your offenses, so that wrongdoing does not become a stumbling block to you. 31 Hurl away from you all your offenses which you have committed and make yourselves a new heart and a new spirit! For why should you die, house of Israel? (Ezekiel 18)

Let’s all look to our own generation and address our own sins and failures and leave a better inheritance to our children.
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General Discussion / Re: Joe Boot on x
« Last post by Iconoclast on October 09, 2024, 10:44:22 am »
If you don't have & sit under a faithful male pastor or elders then find some & move if necessary. You cannot be pastored & adequately guided by the endless podcasters who think an armchair, baseball cap & boom mic qualifies them to lead & shepherd God's people theologically, culturally or pastorally. Find a real church, led by godly qualified men who know how to love their wives, teach their children & serve God's people and commit to it. Churchless Christianity is not Christianity. Then by all means listen to podcasts, but test everything against the Word of God or there is no end to the rabbit holes you will go down or what shipwreck you might make of your life.
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General Discussion / Re: Joe Boot on x
« Last post by Iconoclast on October 04, 2024, 07:12:23 pm »
There is a good deal of confusion amongst some professing reformed Christians today about the role of the state. Is it the states task (via a 'Christian' leader, 'fuhrer,' prince or president) to "crush the enemies" of Christians & the church as God's people? God forbid! The states delimited task is in fact to bear the sword as a ministry of justice according to Romans 13 to punish lawless evildoers and restrain wickedness in service to God. Prescriptively, this must be by the standards of God's moral law as Paul makes clear in 1 Tim 1: 8-11 so that criminals are appropriately punished.
Since all people outside of Christ are at enmity with God with a propensity to hate the followers of Christ (Rom. 8:7-9; John 15:18-25) to seek to enlist the state to crush them is both cowardice and a total failure to understand the gospel. It is the believers task to win people into the faith, not whip them into it. It is not the states task to destroy unbelievers, or crush and oppress the opponents of Christians or those who oppose the influence of the church. Christians should not seek vengeance on those that hate or oppose them for their faith nor call upon the state to do it for them (Rom. 12:17-21). Those who wish to crush unbelievers who reject their message should read the words of Christ:
And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them (Lk 9. 54-56)
The state, as an extension of its police power of the sword, also has a duty to defend its citizens against evil from external threats. There is no contradiction between Christians in their lives and communities not taking vengeance on their unbelieving neighbour when they are mistreated or opposed as believers, and upholding the obligation of the state to organise the defence of its realm and interests against lethal external threats - including intercontinental ballistic missiles from an almost nuclear belligerent and Islamist Iran.  For a clear explanation of this issue please see my books The Mission of God and Ruler of Kings: Toward a Christian Vision of Government.
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