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Isaiah 65:20 – 25: Contrast of Covenants, Old and New. Part Three
Posted on June 30, 2025 by asterisktom
“No more shall an infant from there live but a few days,
Nor an old man who has not fulfilled his days;
For the child shall die one hundred years old,
But the sinner being one hundred years old shall be accursed.” –Isa. 65:20

Verse 20, already covered in the previous article, is repeated here to establish context. There is in the following four verses a sevenfold repetition of blessing that “they” will enjoy, referring to those in the New Covenant. There is a final “they” after these, referring to the inability of the beasts to “hurt or destroy” anyone on God’s “Holy Mountain”. What a contrast this passage is to the last chapter of Isaiah!


“They shall build houses and inhabit them;
They shall plant vineyards and eat their fruit.
They shall not build and another inhabit;
They shall not plant and another eat; [1]
For as the days of a tree, so shall be the days of My people,
And My elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands. –Isa. 65:22

Several passages in the Old and New Testament refer to humans, corporately or individually, as trees: Judges 9:8; Psalm 1:3, 92:12; Jer. 17:8; Dan. 4:10ff; Matt. 3:10; Rom. 11:24 , etc. Those verses in Scripture that refer to saints bring out two main characteristics found in trees: stability and fruitfulness. [2]

In this passage we can add a third characteristic: longevity. We should bear in mind that some trees have survived for centuries [3]. Once again, we have a description that clearly points to spiritual and eternal, not physical or temporal, blessings.


They shall not labor in vain,
Nor bring forth children for trouble;
For they shall be the descendants of the blessed of the Lord,
And their offspring with them.” – Isa. 65:23


It would indeed be difficult to see this as being fulfilled any period before New Testament times, and then strictly in a spiritual sense. See note 1 below.

“It shall come to pass

That before they call, I will answer;
And while they are still speaking, I will hear.
The wolf and the lamb shall feed together,
The lion shall eat straw like the ox,
And dust shall be the serpent’s food.
They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain,”
Says the Lord.” [4] – Isa. 65:24-25

The difficulty with these verses is directly proportionate with the unwillingness of the reader – or the preacher – or commentator! – to part with apriori futurist presuppositions. One example out of many is found in the Moody Bible Commentary of Isaiah, Excerpt Version, ed. Michael Rydelnik and Michael Vanlaningham, who argue from a millennial framework that these “My people”, vss. 19, 22, refer strictly to ethnic Jews and that “they will be redeemed and enter the kingdom without glorified or resurrected bodies” and thus “will be able to reproduce … even die”!

Their contrived proof for the mass conversion of the Jews is Zech. 12:10 and Rom. 11:25-27 [5] and their entering in the kingdom without glorification or resurrection is Matt. 25:34.

But this is pure eisegesis, reading into the text what one wishes was there. One of the clearest proofs against a future unglorified people of God is found in Rom. 8:28-30:

“And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.”

Notice the golden train of blessings here for the saints of God. It is an unbroken chain of certainty for those who love God. Those who are called are those – and only those! – who are justified (redeemed) and glorified.

And it is not possible to enter into the kingdom without “resurrected bodies”. Paul, writing to both Jews and Gentiles, proves the point:

“Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed.” – 1 Cor. 15:50-51

Notes

1. The prophet revisits the theme of Isa. 62:8 – 9:

“The Lord has sworn by His right hand
And by the arm of His strength:
“Surely I will no longer give your grain
As food for your enemies;
And the sons of the foreigner shall not drink your new wine,
For which you have labored.
But those who have gathered it shall eat it,
And praise the Lord;
Those who have brought it together shall drink it in My holy courts.”

Writing on this earlier passage,John Gill rightly observes that this simply cannot refer to the return from Babylonian captivity, seeing that:

“after that their enemies did eat their corn [“grain”], and drink their wine; the Romans came and took away their city and nation, as they feared, and all their good things”.

Although then following this, unfortunately, with a futurist framework interpretation Gill then wisely admits a possibility that we see as a better solution:

“[A]ll this may be understood in a spiritual sense of the “corn” and “wine” of the Gospel, and the ministration of it; which was first provided for them, and they were invited to partake of it; and in preparing which the apostles and first ministers of the word, being Jews, “laboured”; but they rejecting it, it was carried to the Gentiles, who had been their “enemies”, and were “aliens” from the commonwealth of Israel, which they gladly received and fed upon; but now it is promised, that the Gospel, being again brought unto them, should no more be taken from them, but ever continue with them; even all the means of grace, and ordinances of the Gospel, for the comfort and refreshment of their souls.” – John Gill, Commenting on Isa. 62:8 – 9

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2. The Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary has this:

“Mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands (Hebrew, yªbaluw, from baalah, to be old) – consume, wear out: they shall long live to enjoy the last of it (Isa 62:9).”

Thomas Coke, Methodist contemporary of Charles Wesley, carried the application further:

“because the days of the people of God,—of each of the faithful, should be as the days of a tree; that is to say, should endure as long as the trees planted by them. Their age should equal the duration of a tree, whether of a vine, or of any other. This is more fully illustrated in the next article; and mine elect, &c. shall out-wear, or out-last, the work of their hands: they shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth children to no purpose.”

3. Barnes, commenting on this verse, lists several trees which had attained ages well into the thousands.

4. Gill ties Isa. 65:25 verse in with the similar Isa. 11:6 passage:

“and a little child shall lead them;”

become through the grace of God so tractable, that they shall be led, guided, and governed by the ministers of the Gospel, Christ’s babes and sucklings, to whom he reveals the great things of his Gospel, and out of whose mouths he ordains praise. Bohlius a interprets this little child of Christ himself, by whom they should be led and directed, see Isa 9:6 and the following passages are referred to the times of the Messiah by the Jewish writers b; and Maimonides c in particular observes, that they are not to be understood literally, as if the custom and order of things in the world would cease, or that things would be renewed as at the creation, but in a parabolical and enigmatical sense; and interprets them of the Israelites dwelling safely among the wicked of the nations of the world, comparable to the wild beasts of the field.

“and the lions shall eat straw like the bullock, or “ox”; to which creature the ministers of
the Gospel are compared for their laboriousness, as wicked persecutors are to lions; and sometimes the latter have been so changed by the grace of God, as to become preachers of it, as Saul was, and very probably many will hereafter.” – John Gill


5. For a detailed critique of this futurist imagining of a mass conversion of national Israel see my article, “All Israel will be Saved: Romans 11:26”

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Heavenly Zion in Isaiah 40-66
Posted on March 12, 2020 by asterisktom
I have often been intrigued with the theme of the heavenly Jerusalem/ spiritual Zion found in Isaiah, and also with the connection with Daniel 9. The more I followed this through the wider the study went, to the point where (I think around Isaiah 60). I couldn’t manage it. The topic had gotten too wide, spilled over into several other books! But that is really a good thing. It taught me that this is truly an important truth for Christians – Jews and gentiles.

Jerusalem, Earthly & Heavenly:

Studies in Daniel 9 and Isaiah 40 – 66
​One of the best ways to approach Daniel 9 (all of Daniel, for that matter) is to show how it points to Christ as fulfillment. Once that is done it should be easier to show earthly Judaism and earthly Jerusalem as being type and promise for something infinitely better. Or some ONE infinitely better. By showing that the promises in Daniel 9 also are “Yes, and in Him Amen” (2nd Cor. 2:20) we make clearer the Christology of this wonderful book. As well, we can then better make the case that Judaism – as a nation and religion – no longer has it’s God-given purpose without seeming to be an anti-Semite. A careful study of these things has shown me, rather, that I was being antichristian by denying some prophetic passages in the Old Testament their distinct Messianic fulfilment.

Daniel and … fill in the blank
“Daniel and Revelation“, right? I believe that we have been so constantly taught through the years to associate the book of Daniel with Revelation that we have a hard time seeing other connections. Yet they are there. I hope (in a later post) to show the connection that Daniel has to Leviticus and Deuteronomy, helping us to understand the divine mathematics of God’s dealing with Israel. It was clearly a case of “I told you so”, but Israel went the way of all flesh anyway. Also, speaking of math, I hope to make the case as to where the original (previous) 490 years began (with the help of James Ussher and others). Unless I am mistaken it had to do with a certain “asked for” king who couldn’t wait for Samuel’s (or God’s) timing and made the offering that was the cause of his own desolation, though not the nation. Samuel said after this event that the Lord would not establish his kingdom, 1st Samuel 13:13- 14. Later he calls Saul’s rebellion against God to account and adds “The Lord has torn the kingdom from you today…”, 1st Samuel 15:28. From this time on Saul was a desolate man; all that was left for him was the actual dying.

The King and the Countdown
But because he acted as legal head of Israel – and they had asked for just that! – his misstep brought disaster on them as well. I believe that it was at this point (or either of these two points in time, chapter 13 or 15) that the first 70 weeks started (490 years). Adding that many years brings us to (1078 – 490) 588 BC, the very year of the fall of Jerusalem and the beginning of the deportation of the Jews!

GET OUT OF THE READING RUT
“The main thing I want to reemphasize now is that we Christians need to get out of the rut of all the usual associations. We need to be on the lookout, in our daily study, of different and fresh associations, tying down familiar verses with unfamiliar. As God points out sections and passages that truly go together (as opposed to those which merely seem to) our Bible gets a better and better binding – how’s that for a metaphor? – New Testament with Old, and ancient promise with Christ-fulfillment.

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Jerusalem, Earthly & Heavenly: Studies in Daniel 9 and Isaiah 40–66
Posted on July 14, 2021 by asterisktom
I have often been intrigued with the theme of the heavenly Jerusalem/ spiritual Zion found in Isaiah, and also with the connection with Daniel 9. The more I followed this through the wider the study went, to the point where (I think around Isaiah 60) I couldn’t manage it. The topic had gotten too wide, spilled over into several other books! But that is really a good thing. It taught me that this is truly an important truth for Christians – Jews and gentiles.

One of the best ways to approach Daniel 9 (all of Daniel, for that matter) is to show how it points to Christ as fulfillment. Once that is done it should be easier to show earthly Judaism and earthly Jerusalem as being type and promise for something infinitely better. Or some ONE infinitely better. By showing that the promises in Daniel 9 also are “Yes, and in Him Amen” (2nd Cor. 2:20) we make clearer the Christology of this wonderful book. As well, we can then better make the case that Judaism – as a nation and religion – no longer has it’s God-given purpose without seeming to be an anti-Semite. A careful study of these things has shown me, rather, that I was being antichristian by denying some prophetic passages in the Old Testament their distinct Messianic fulfilment.

Daniel and … fill in the blank

“Daniel and Revelation”, right? I believe that we have been so constantly taught through the years to associate the book of Daniel with Revelation that we have a hard time seeing other connections. Yet they are there. I hope (in a later post) to show the connection that Daniel has to Leviticus and Deuteronomy, helping us to understand the divine mathematics of God’s dealing with Israel. It was clearly a case of “I told you so”, but Israel went the way of all flesh anyway. Also, speaking of math, I hope to make the case as to where the original (previous) 490 years began (with the help of James Ussher and others). Unless I am mistaken – always a possibility : ) – it had to do with a certain “asked for” king who couldn’t wait for Samuel’s (or God’s) timing and made the offering that was the cause of his own desolation, though not the nation. Samuel said after this event that the Lord would not establish his kingdom, 1st Samuel 13:13- 14. Later he calls Saul’s rebellion against God to account and adds “The Lord has torn the kingdom from you today…”, 1st Samuel 15:28. From this time on Saul was a desolate man; all that was left for him was the actual dying.

The main thing I want to reemphasize now is that we Christians need to get out of the rut of all the usual associations. We need to be on the lookout, in our daily study, of different and fresh associations, tying down familiar verses with unfamiliar. As God points out sections and passages that truly go together (as opposed to those which merely seem to) our Bible gets a better and better binding – how’s that for a metaphor? – New Testament with Old, and ancient promise with Christ-fulfillment. The entire blessed Word of God for our present world.


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Jerusalem: Daniel and Isaiah 40 – 66
Posted on July 14, 2021 by asterisktom
Part 2

It’s often helpful to study a larger section of Scripture by examining the use of a certain word or concept. I did this with the word “Jerusalem” in this second part of Isaiah. I was tempted almost to say “second Isaiah” because the theme from chapter 40 onward is somewhat different than the previous, just the same as the theme of book 40 in the Bible (Matthew) is different from the first 39 books (the Old Testament). In this sense Isaiah’s 66 chapters seem to actually be prophetical of the completed Bible’s 66 books. But I don’t refer to the second half of Isaiah as “second Isaiah” because there are actually people who believe that there were two – or three! – Isaiah’s. I don’t. They believe this because otherwise they would have to believe in inspired prophecy – which they don’t. Much of modern scholarship is merely a new face put on ages-old unbelief.

So what did I find out about ”Jerusalem”? The meaning of the word is slightly controversial, but probably means either “in it is peace” or “possession of peace”. Interestingly, this last half of Isaiah has twenty occurrences of the word:

* Ten in chapters 40 through 52.

* None in the more explicitly Messianic section and following chapters, 53 – 61.

* Ten in chapters 62 through 66.

I don’t necessarily put spiritual significance to the interesting pattern (10 – 0 –10) but it is helpful to keep in mind.

Jerusalem: Physical and Spiritual

The first thing I noticed, tying this in with Daniel 9, is that the passage is certainly about Jerusalem. It is, in fact, addressed to Jerusalem:

“‘Comfort, yes, comfort My people!’ says your God.

Speak comfort to Jerusalem, and cry out to her,

That her warfare is ended,

That her iniquity is pardoned;

For she has received from the Lord’s hand

Double for all her sins.”

See verse 9:

“O Zion, you who bring good tidings,

Get up into the high mountain;

O Jerusalem, you who bring good tidings”

Note, there are both usages of the word “Jerusalem” in these chapters, physical and spiritual. Some are clearly physical, but others are obviously spiritual. Those who claim that we “spiritualizers of Scripture” are not taking the Word literally, do the very same thing – only with different verses. They certainly understand the above verses to refer to more than just physical Jerusalem. To not do this is to imagine a ridiculous interpretation, a city climbing a mountain!

Temple 1 one morphs into Temple 2!

But what about the Daniel passage? Do we spiritualize those too? Yes and no. We actually do both. First comes the physical fulfillment. Through many trials and temptations the physical Israelites finally build their physical city, temple and walls. But as they do so, they are already being assured by the new breed of prophets (post-exilic) that there is more going on here than meets the eye. The older temple builders were especially saddened by what they saw, because they remembered the previous grand temple of Solomon’s. But Haggai encouraged them:

“’The glory of this latter house shall be greater than the former’, says the Lord of hosts. “And in this place I will give peace,’ says the Lord of hosts.” Haggai 2:9

But how can this be? It was a smaller temple. Surely God didn’t mean the self-aggrandizing additions that Herod made? No, the “glory” referred to here – and the “peace” – is Christ Himself, “the Messenger who suddenly comes to His temple”, Mal. 3:1. Paul speaks of this “Peace”, teaching us that “He himself is our peace, who has made both [Jew and Gentile] one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation,” Eph. 2:14. He goes in to say that we, believing Jews and Gentiles, are being “built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone [that is, main foundation], in Whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you are also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.” Eph. 2:20 – 22.

How does this temple in Haggai have a greater glory?

1. The spiritual is more glorious than the physical. (Though it is necessarily after, 1 Cor. 15:46).

2. The outreach to the world is greater than that of physical Israel, so the works are greater, John 10: 16; 14:12.

3. Christ has come to the temple, fulfilled all requirements, signs and prophecies that pointed to Him, and has become our once-for-all temple Sacrifice. He is also our High Priest, entering into the Holy of Holies on our behalf.

God is, of course, not just a temple builder. His deeper aim is to build a people up, to gather them together and grow them as His own unique people. That is why the temple passages in the Bible eventually give way to the Zion or Jerusalem passages, until finally we see in the last book the heavenly Jerusalem, a city without a temple. It has no need for one, because we have Christ and are in Christ.

Temple & City

But these verses are all about the temple. What about the city? The same Paul who writes about the temple uses the city metaphor elsewhere. He says that the true children of Abraham are citizens of “the Jerusalem above”. Gal. 5:26. In Hebrews we are told that we have not come to Sinai (a point that is lost on some of us Reformed folks with their overemphasis of the Decalogue) but we have “come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem”, Heb. 12: 18, 22- 23. This is the very same heavenly Jerusalem that is pictured descending from heaven in Rev. 21:2!

But wait, you might say, that’s all future! But how do you know that that particular verse is future? As we continue looking into Isaiah – no, I haven’t forgotten the title of this post – we will see a lot of apocalyptic (assumingly future) elements put to historical use (from our standpoint).

This topic is not just hazy history or fuzzy futurism.

This is where we live now, Christian brothers and sisters!

We are citizens of the greatest nation in the world –

Greatest in extent,

Greatest in Foundation,

Most glorious in outlook!

What a thrilling prospect we have in Christ Jesus our Saviour, Prophet, Priest, and King!

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Isaiah 65:9 – 20: Contrast of Covenants, Old and New. Part Two
Posted on June 2, 2025 by asterisktom
I had already posted an earlier version of this article but this morning, while I was working on the next one, I noticed that much more needed to be added here.

These last two chapters of Isaiah form bookends with the first two chapters of this book 1. Themes introduced in the beginning are revisited in the closing chapters. Here are a few of these repeated themes:

Rebellion, 1:2-5, 20-23 with 65:2-3, 66:4, 24,
Rejected offerings, 1:11ff compared with 65:2-7, 66:3-4,
Sin and destruction of earthly Jerusalem, 1:21-31 with 66:6 (another helpful mnemonic!),
And the rising of the heavenly Jerusalem, 1:25-27 with 65:19, 66:10-13,
Impending doom and shame of idolaters in their gardens 1:29-30 with 65:3-7, 66:17,
The Mountain of the Lord, 2:2-3with 65:25, 66:20.

“I will bring forth descendants from Jacob,
And from Judah an heir of My mountains;
My elect shall inherit it,
And My servants shall dwell there.” – Isa. 65:9

The “mountains” of verse 9, as well as the “holy mountain” of verse 11 and 25, are in opposition to the idolaters’ mountains of verse 7.

But who are these “descendants of Jacob”? Many modern renditions smooth out the essential detail of the passage, obscuring the necessary ambiguity. Other translations are better at bringing out the meaning here than the poor renderings of the NASB (“offspring”), or the NIV and NKJV (“descendants”). To their credit, the original KJV retained this ambiguity (“seed”), accommodating the intended double reference2:

“And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there.” – Isa. 65:9 (KJV)

The Updated Brenton English Septuagint (UBES), likewise, renders the verse even closer to the mark:


“And I will lead forth the seed (LXX: σπέρμα – sperma, singular! 3) that came of Jacob and of Judah, and they shall inherit my holy mountain: and mine elect and my servants shall inherit it, and shall dwell there.”

That the “Seed” here is primarily singular is revealed in Gal. 3:16. First of all, Christ, is the One coming out of Judah:



“Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,” who is Christ.” – Gal. 3:16

John Gill understands Christ to be both the singular “Seed” and the “Inheritor” spoken of here. He is also the first “elect” (For emphasis I capitalized the word):

“and mine Elect shall inherit it; – Christ is God’s first and chief elect, and his people are chosen in him through grace to glory; and these are the seed and heirs that do inherit grace, and shall inherit glory; for this is to be understood not literally of the land of Judea…”


“Sharon shall be a fold of flocks,
And the Valley of Achor a place for herds to lie down,
For My people who have sought Me.” – Isa. 65:10

Hebrew: “the Sharon” (השרון – “ha Sharon”), the pleasant fertile coastal region stretching from Joppa to Carmel.

“And the VALLEY OF ACHOR – This was a valley near to Jericho, and was distinguished as the place where Achan was put to death by stoning JOS 7:24; JOS 15:7; HOS 2:15. The word Achor (עכור ‛âkôr), means properly “causing affliction,” – Albert Barnes

That last verse deserves special notice:


“I will give her her vineyards from there,And the Valley of Achor as a door of hope;She shall sing there,As in the days of her youth,As in the day when she came up from the land of Egypt.” – Hosea 2:15

And Jerusalem will eventually become a Valley of Achor, spiritual Babylon stoned by Roman onagers. This passage seems to have much figurative prophecy that is worthy of further study, the stoning of Achan a precursor to the stoning of Jerusalem, also, the earthly Mount Zion finally “made low”, Isa. 40:4 and “removed and cast into the sea”, Matt. 21:21.


But at this same place, starting with Calvary, the “door of hope” was opened up, streams of mercy and grace flowing up from the temple, beginning at Pentecost (Barnes, Benson, Clarke).

Their physical mountain was destroyed because they had rejected God’s Mountain:

“But you who forsake the LORD,

who forget My holy mountain,
who set a table for Fortune
and fill bowls of mixed wine for Destiny,

I will destine you for the sword,
and you will all kneel down to be slaughtered,
because I called and you did not answer,
I spoke and you did not listen;
you did evil in My sight
and chose that in which I did not delight.” – Isa. 65:11-12

Generally speaking, the spiritual defection of Israel was not a recent occurrence. For several centuries worship of foreign deities was practiced, at first secretly, but later quite openly. Two examples are Rachel’s hiding of her father’s household gods under the camel saddle,Gen. 31:34, and the brazen defiance of the women in Jeremiah’s time, 4.

Verse 11 in particular seems to refer to either worship of foreign deities or to planets 5.

Verse 12 has a twin verse in 66:14 which, according to J. Alec Motyer, indicates a chiasm 6. More on this in the note below7.

The picture of their wretchedness is now heightened by a fourfold contrast with the saints of the New Covenant:

“Therefore this is what the Lord GOD says:
“My servants will eat,
but you will go hungry;
My servants will drink,
but you will go thirsty;
My servants will rejoice,
but you will be put to shame.

My servants will shout for joy with a glad heart,
but you will cry out with a heavy heart
and wail with a broken spirit. 8, 9

You will leave behind your name
as a curse for My chosen ones,
and the Lord GOD will slay you;
but to His servants He will give another name.

Whoever invokes a blessing in the land
will do so by the God of truth,
and whoever takes an oath in the land
will swear by the God of truth.
For the former troubles will be forgotten
and hidden from My sight.“ – Isa. 65:13-16

For comments on these verses see notes 8 and 9 below.

“For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth;
And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind.
But be glad and rejoice forever in what I create;
For behold, I create Jerusalem as a rejoicing,
And her people a joy.
I will rejoice in Jerusalem,
And joy in My people;
The voice of weeping shall no longer be heard in her,
Nor the voice of crying.

“No more shall an infant from there live but a few days,
Nor an old man who has not fulfilled his days;
For the child shall die one hundred years old,
But the sinner being one hundred years old shall be accursed.” – Isa. 65:17-20

As long as Christian writers hold onto their cherished futurist notions they will dash themselves on the difficult rocks in their expositions of these last verses. of “his merciful, but righteous, substitution of the Gentiles in the place of a rebellious and idolatrous people.”

By contrast,John Brown of Haddington, seems to have hit upon the right approach. He wrote on Isa. 65:17, 20 (underlining mine):


“Ver. 17. New heavens and a new earth cannot here mean the new and eternal state; for it appears from ver. 20 that after the new creation here predicted, death will still be in the world ; whereas in the new and eternal state ‘there will be no more death,’ Re. 21.4. ‘ The new heavens and new earth’ here fore- told represent a new state of governments and people, produced by an outpouring of converting and renewing grace upon the hearts of Israel and the Gentile churches and kingdoms.

“Ver. 20. Though it were presumptuous to affirm that God may not, or will not, hereafter restore mankind to antediluvian longevity; yet, as the ‘new heavens and new earth’ seem decidedly emblematic, and not literal, is there not reason for concluding that ‘infant’ and ‘old man’ are likewise emblematic? Thus the whole Christian church are called ‘little children’ by Christ himself, by Paul, and John, Jn. 13.33; Ga. 4.19; 1 Jn 2.1-5, 21.

“According to this authorized language, the verse will be interpreted thus: ‘ There shall no more be in my visible church any who abides ‘an infant of days,’ any who continue ‘children in understanding,’ 1 Co. 14.20, nor ‘an old man,’ a father in Christ, 1 Co 14.15 ;1 Jn. 2.1 3 , who shall not have knowledge and experience in grace; but even ‘the child,’ the youngest believer, shall die in the Christian ripeness of old age. And such shall be the purity and vigour of godly discipline, that ‘the sinner who loves not the Lord Jesus Christ,’ whatever may be his rank and attainments, shall be cut off and cast away as an accursed thing from the fellowship of the renovated church, 1 Co. 5.4,5; 7.9, 11; 1Co.16.22.”

Notes

1. The book of Isaiah seems to be a Bible in miniature: Sin against the Creator/Owner (Gen. 3 and Isa. 1), Redemption (Isa. 52:13-53, Gospels), and Judgment/Reward (Isa. 65-66, Revelation). The fact that both books are divided into 66 parts is, at the very least, a helpful mnemonic.

2. This can be seen in Paul’s Epistle to the Galatians, where we find both singular and plural applications, 3:16-19 and 3:29, respectively.

3. The Septuagint, LXX, is the Greek translation of the Old Testament, traditionally credited to the work of 70 (LXX) translators . Paul, as he often does in his epistles, uses this translation in Gal. 3:16. The earlier references to the seed-promise given to Abraham, upon which Paul builds his case, are in Gen. 12:7; 13:15; 24:7.


4. “But we will certainly do whatever has gone out of our own mouth, to burn incense to the queen of heaven and pour out drink offerings to her, as we have done, we and our fathers, our kings and our princes, in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem. For then we had plenty of food, were well-off, and saw no trouble.” – Jer. 44:17

5. Two commentaries onIsa 65: 11-12:

“Therefore will I number you to the sword – There is undoubtedly an allusion here to the idol Meni mentioned in Isa 65:11, and a play upon the name, in accordance with a custom quite common in the sacred Scriptures. The word מניתי mâniytiy, ‘I will number,’ is derived from מנה mânâh, the same word from which מני menı̂y, is derived. The idea is, since they worshipped a god whose name denoted number – perhaps one who was supposed to number or appoint the fates of people – God would number them.” – Albert Barnes

“because, when I called, ye did not answer; when I spoke, ye did not hear; when Christ called unto them personally, to come and hear him, they turned a deaf ear to this charmer, charming so wisely, and would not attend upon his ministry”. – John Gill

Several times in his exposition of these latter chapters of Isaiah, John Gill surpasses many of his fellow commentators in drawing out important New Testament connections. The purpose of all Old Testament study ought to be those New Covenant “things concerning Himself”. Otherwise, all we have is mere studies in Judaism.

6. A chiasm, from theGreek χιάζω, chiázō, “to shape like the letter Χ“, is a literary device to focus attention to the perceived central theme of a larger passage. (“Perceived” is used here because sometimes the a priori assumptions of a commentator might contrive a chiasm where none actually exists!)

7. Kim Riddlebarger cites Motyer’s breakdown of the chiasm from pages 522-523 of his book, “The Prophecy of Isaiah: An Introduction & Commentary. [IVP], J. Alec Motyer.

A1. 65:1
B1. 65:2-7
C1. 65:8-19
D1. 65:11-12
E. 65:13-25 – the main theme, per Riddlebarger
D2. 66:1-4
C2. 66:5-14
B2. 66:15-17
A2. 66:18-21


The purpose of chiasms being to give most prominence to the central section, Riddlebarger asserts the main theme of the entire prophecy to be “the joy of the Lord’s servants in the new creation”. This is plausible. But he then comes to the unwarranted conclusion that the “climax of the passage is the eternal state (the new heavens and earth), not a half-way redeemed earth in which people experience life-extension, only to die later on”! He seems to forget that his “eternal state” is also a time when death is still present, Isa. 65:20. See the underlined comments above from John Brown of Haddington.

8. This description of New Covenant blessedness brings to mind the Beatitudes, Matt. 5:1-12; Luke 6:20-26.

9. Certain commentators, like Claus Westermann in his exegesis of these “Trito-Isaiah” (sic) chapters, see a discrepancy between the judgments threatened in vs. 12 (slaughtered by the sword) and vss. 13-15 (miseries heightened by contrast with the New Covenant faithful).

However, there is a significant difference between these two judgment passages, marked by the “Therefore” in vs. 15. This is a consequence of their response to their “doing evil” and “choosing what displeases” God after God had “called” and “spoken”. I believe the guilt from of this group is greater than the first. The first judgment, slain with the sword, seems to fit the first destruction of Jerusalem by the Chaldeans, the second by the Romans. And I believe that the coming and speaking refer to the Incarnation and personal testimony of their Messiah. Christ Himself had warned:

“If I had not come and spoken to them, they would have no sin, but now they have no excuse for their sin.” – John 15:22

The two destructions of Jerusalem differ on this very point. The early disaster led to the loss of lives and a seventy-year exile. The last destruction led to not only more deaths and slavery (not exile), but also the final demonstration of the utter termination of their Covenant with God. Not mere destruction, but desolation. The difference was the opposition of this latter group to the personal message and presence of their Messiah. This is what constitutes the apostasy and the Jewish last days – obstinate sinning against the greater Light of the World, Christ.

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New Board / A Full preterist Blog
« on: July 12, 2025, 04:35:27 pm »
Isaiah 66: 1–4: Blind Vs. Blessed Worship
Posted on July 12, 2025 by asterisktom
These final two chapters of Isaiah have become a battleground among expositors: Is the primary application here to the Restoration, return from exile, or is it to glorious New Covenant fulfillment [1]? Although reference can be found to both times the greater focus is on the latter. Context and New Testament citations point to this conclusion. More on this later.

“Thus says the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that you build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?

“For all those things has my hand made, and all those things have been, says the LORD [2]: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembles at my word.

He that kills an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrifices a lamb, as if he breaks a dog’s neck; he that offers a grain offering, as if he offered swine’s blood; he that burns incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delights in their abominations.

I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spoke, they did not hear: but they did evil before my eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.” – Isa. 66:1–4 (KJV 2000)

Charles Ellicott, contrary to other commentators, does not see the Restoration as the intended target of these words. [3] The Temple, or the previous Tabernacle, were never a place of God’s rest, but rather His footstool, Lam. 2:1; Psalm 99:5; Psalm 132:7; 1 Chr. 28:2. And the time finally came, having become His enemies, when they became His footstool, Psalm 110:1 [4].

The Jewish adversaries who rose up against Stephen, Acts 6:9ff, would have done well to meditate on this passage. Temple rites were only ever an imperfect and temporary expedient until the Perfect had come. Ant the rites of the Temple were never more important to God than obedience, 1 Sam. 15:22 and Amos 5:22-24. But, for them, the Temple was the very foundation of their religion, its rites and precepts inviolable and eternal. Obstinately opposed to the Gospel, and the Christ, the Foundation, Luke 17-18, Eph. 2:20, the veil remained upon their heart, 2 Cor. 3:13-16, provoking their hatred to this new sect of Christians. Forcibly taking Stephen to the council, they accused him of blaspheming “against Moses and against God … against this holy place, and the law”, Acts 6:11, 13, and claiming that “this Jesus of Nazareth will destroy this place, and shall change the customs which Moses delivered us”, Acts 6:14.

What was Stephen’s defense? This very passage in Isaiah. He methodically proved that they were the ones who were contrary. On all points, Acts 7:2–53. Stephen cites and applies Isaiah:

“Yet the most High dwells not in temples made with hands; as says the prophet,

“Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will you build me? says the Lord: or what is the place of my rest? Has not my hand made all these things?”

You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, you do always resist the Holy Spirit: as your fathers did, so do you.Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them who showed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom you have been now the betrayers and murderers:” – Acts 7:48-52

Their stiff-necked resistance against the Holy Spirit is shown by their continuing their sacrifices well after the final and crowning Sin-Sacrifice of the Son. Isa. 66:3 points to this time when continued sacrifices bring further guilt and judgment. Several commentators see in this verse, rather, an indictment against legitimate rites performed with impure motives. That is indeed the case in Mal. 1:6-14 but does not fit the context here in Isa. 66.

Stephen’s actual citation is underlined, but he also brings out additional application from the passage, showing that God not living in man-made temples is a restatement of Isa. 66:1. Also, it is possible that his mentioning of the Jews’ murdering the “Righteous One”, Acts 7:52, is based on the last half of Isa. 66:2:

“but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembles at my word.”

The “man” described here is actually the “Man, Christ Jesus”! [5] Commenting on this point, I appreciate especially John Gill’s insight (emphasis mine). He rightly sees this verse as referring first to the Messiah and then, secondarily, to those who are His.

“but to this man will I look. The Septuagint and Arabic versions read, by way of interrogation, “and to whom shall I look?” and so the Syriac version, which adds, “in whom shall I dwell?” not in temples made with hands; not in the temple of Jerusalem; but in the true tabernacle which God pitched, and not man; in Christ the antitypical temple, in whom the fulness of the Godhead dwells bodily, and in whom Jehovah the Father dwells personally; see Heb 8:2 as also in every true believer, who is the temple of the living God, later described, for these words may both respect Christ and his members; the characters well agree with him:” [6]



NOTES

1. Some proponents of the Restoration view are Keil & Delitzsch, N.T. Wright, and John D.W. Watts. On the New Covenant Fulfillment view we have Charles Ellicott, John Gill, and Friedrich W.C. Umbreit, the latter’s view which was perfunctorily dismissed by Keil & Delitzsch! But I think Umbreit and Gill are being truer to text and context.

2. “Says the Lord”, rather than being an awkward repetition in the first phrase, might fit better as a marker for the following phrase.The Literal Standard Version (LSV)has this:

“And My hand has made all these, “” And all these things are,” “” A declaration of YHWH! “And to this one I look attentively, “” To the humble and bruised in spirit, “” And who is trembling at My word.”


And the HCSB (Holman Christian Standard Bible):

“My hand made all these things, and so they all came into being. This is the LORD’s declaration. I will look favorably on this kind of person: one who is humble, submissive in spirit, and trembles at My word.”

See also the NEB, and YLT.

3.“Was the prophet condemning in advance the restoration of the temple on the return from Babylon, or, as some critics have supposed, the intention of some of the exiles to build a temple in the land of their captivity, as others did afterwards at Leontopolis in Egypt? Was he anticipating the vision of the Apocalypse, that in the new Jerusalem there was to be “no temple” (Revelation 21:22)? Neither of these views is satisfactory, Isaiah 56:7; Isaiah 60:7, and the writings of Ezekiel, Haggai, Zechariah, all pre-supposing the existence of a new temple. It seems better to see in the words the utterance, in its strongest form, of the truth that God dwelleth, not in temples made with hands, Isaiah 56:7; Isaiah 60:7, and the writings of Ezekiel, Haggai, Zechariah, all pre-supposing the existence of a new temple. It seems better to see in the words the utterance, in its strongest form, of the truth that God dwelleth, not in temples made with hands, that utterance being compatible, as in the case of Solomon himself (2Chronicles 6:18), of our Lord (John 2:16-17; John 4:21-23), of St. Stephen, who quoted this passage (Acts 7:48-50), with the profoundest reverence for the visible sanctuary.”– Commentary for English Readers, Charles Ellicott


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General Discussion / Re: James White on X
« on: June 06, 2025, 07:23:23 am »

𝔚𝔥𝔦𝔱𝔢𝔅𝔢𝔞𝔯𝔡
@HwsEleutheroi
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Quick note:  No, I do not like a LOT of things Trump is doing. He is laying a foundation for some truly totalitarian type stuff from the gov't (no matter who is in charge).  HOWEVER, let me put this as plainly as I can: Kamala Harris was an utter airhead, a word-salad producing heir to the senile old man, another mannequin propped up to be used by the shadow globalists who ran things during the Biden regime.  No matter which way we turn, we see judgment before our eyes.

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General Discussion / Re: James White on X
« on: June 02, 2025, 09:58:14 am »

𝔚𝔥𝔦𝔱𝔢𝔅𝔢𝔞𝔯𝔡
@HwsEleutheroi
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My grandchildren will never watch your propaganda.  I would say "shame on you" for grooming children, but that would assume you have a worldview that would even understand the natural and proper place of "shame."

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New Board / Comments on Islam on X by assorted people
« on: May 30, 2025, 09:28:01 am »
ISLAM IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH DECENCY OR SAFETY FOR WOMEN

Unfortunately, anyone girl above 9, is legitimate sexual target according to the preacher. Unless we acknowledge this truth, it will be difficult to understand the exploitation.

Mentally deranged culture! They are basically homicidal maniacs!

Many young girls come back from Kaaba pregnant. Many go there to be prostituted. Many go there not to do the Kaaba duties but to make money through sex. Many get married in Mutta marriages for a week and come back after making tons of money.A hard truth that nobody talks about.

Muslim men who are so weak they can’t control their base biological urges, who are so weak they have no self control act like animals and it’s accepted and everything’s the woman’s fault for tempting them. Dogs have more self control.

Islamic countries aren't known to be the best defenders of women.

R@pists target Muslim women, too, hijab or no hijab bc they know Muslim women live in shame. They know that Muslim women will blame themselves & that some families don’t even care if their daughters are sexually assaulted. Girls to them are just means 2 the highest bidding man.

That's all.that happened don't worry 11 years old girls are groomed and **** by your lot in UK,  Muslims you are the scum of the earth.. it's not even a religion, it's by a pedo.   Mohammed so he could **** children...
SHE NEEDS TO REEVALUATE THE god SHE IS FOLLOWING HER FAMILY SAYS THAT IS NORMAL??? CONSIDER YOUR WAYS GOD LOVES YOU LADY TURN TO THE ONE TRUE LIVING GOD BY ACCEPTING HIS GIFT OF GRACE AND RIGHTEOUSNESS JESUS CHRIST RECEIVE HIM AS YOUR LORD AND SAVIOUR AND HE WILL MANIFEST TO YOU

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General Discussion / Virgil Walker on X
« on: May 30, 2025, 08:54:31 am »

Virgil L. Walker
@VirgilWalkerOMA
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Our culture runs on complaints. Grievance is the new gospel. Victimhood is currency.

But there’s one thing the enemy can’t monetize, gratitude.

In a world addicted to outrage, thanksgiving is rebellion.
🧵 A thread on the power of gratitude (and a free gift at the end):

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General Discussion / Re: James White on X
« on: May 09, 2025, 06:07:01 pm »

𝔚𝔥𝔦𝔱𝔢𝔅𝔢𝔞𝔯𝔡
@HwsEleutheroi
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A text often overlooked in the Gospels is found in Luke 11:27-28.  One of the women in the crowd cried out, "Blessed is the womb that bore You and the breasts at which You nursed."  This was not an overly unusual blessing, one which emphasized lineage and continuity of the Jewish people.

Jesus' response is forceful.  He does not say, "Thank you for your blessing" or "Indeed, but allow me to add something."  Instead, the first word in response is μενοῦν which means "on the contrary!"  He rejects the blessing upon His mother (stunned silence in Rome) but points her elsewhere.  "On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it."  The real blessing is in obedience, not to the traditions of men, but rather to the word of God.  What a stark contrast the Lord draws!  But, someone might say, was the woman who cried out offended? We are not told, and, of course, we should not be concerned.  Jesus has spoken the truth, and His followers will hear, obey, and imitate His example.

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General Discussion / Re: Joe Boot on x
« on: March 10, 2025, 09:21:45 pm »

Joseph Boot
@DrJoeBoot
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17h
Another liberal “woke in-chief” has just been elected leader of the Liberals in Canada and as such is Prime Minister till the election in the Fall. Instead of a rational approach to the US & trade issue, he is already making ludicrous statements.Canada must maintain its identity and sovereignty but realise that unless it rebuilds its Christian identity, abandons its Liberal Progressivism & woke-socialist assault on Canadians, provinces like Alberta will continue to talk of independence or joining the USA. Canadians have had enough of Trudeau and his acolytes. Carney can talk tough on Trump and tariffs but it’s totally empty until the political elite start to abandon the globalist bodies and start focusing on restoring Canada to the great nation it once was, and the reliable friend it once was to Britain and the USA rather than doing China’s bidding.  Canada has the resources and people to take responsibility for itself and stop relying on the US for protection and globalist bodies for direction if it can recover a Christian vision of  culture and nationhood. Trump’s shake up of an indolent & dangerously naive globalist order may be the best thing that could happen to Canada to force it to rediscover itself. Time will tell.

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General Discussion / Re: Joe Boot on x
« on: February 27, 2025, 11:33:06 am »
Watch out! Dangerous granny on the loose offering to talk. Would be a good use of police resources to ignore actual crimes & arrest her for her thoughts and silently offering to talk with people….

This is what it’s come to - don’t think or say anything the state doesn’t like!!

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General Discussion / Re: Joe Boot on x
« on: February 27, 2025, 09:17:53 am »
Joseph Boot
@DrJoeBoot
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5h
Patriotic Britains thank J D Vance and Trump administration for putting pressure on the UK government on freedom of speech & conscience which have been eroding here for over a decade.

Joseph Boot
@DrJoeBoot
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5h
Brilliant article from Suella on the importance of British identity & the meaning of being English. She correctly makes nuanced distinction between national identity, citizenship & ethnic heritage re: the need for honest evaluation of today’s crisis.
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Joseph Boot
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What's at the religious root of the problems of the West?

"Look well what thou art doing when thou goest into God's house; present thyself there in a spirit of obedience. Obedience is far better than the sacrifice made by fools, that are guilty of unwitting sacrilege" (Ecclesiastes 4:17)

The church must address its apostasy from the Word of God in numerous areas. Let's start by putting faithful men into the pulpit and eldership of the church who will teach the Word of God in faithfulness and apply it to all of life.

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General Discussion / current posts
« on: January 23, 2025, 03:01:23 pm »
Until people grasp the religious root of culture they will never understand the Southport murders, the grooming and **** gangs in the UK or the decay of Western society from New York to Paris.  The root of a stable culture is not grounded in skin colour, but religious commitment.

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